Fortress III of 214 sqdn, 100 Group

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Re: Fortress III of 214 sqdn, 100 Group

Post by halifax1 » Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:33 pm

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Re: Fortress III of 214 sqdn, 100 Group

Post by ME453 » Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:12 pm

halifax1 wrote:Is this topic still active?
But of course dear chap, it's progressing very well - scratch building the window chutes at the moment. I'll post some pics shortly. Wings primed and painted with a base camouflage, though I want to achieve the right look for the Fort based on the research that I've done; 214's Forts all seem pretty well worn, must be the balmy Norfolk climate!
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Re: Fortress III of 214 sqdn, 100 Group

Post by halifax1 » Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:13 pm

I think I recall being told that these Forts came from all kinds of places and had been well used before they arrived with 214. The Americans were a bit mean with their paint anyway and probably used very thin coats because they had this conviction that paint added weight. For example towards the end of the War it was not permitted to paint parts cannibalised from other aircraft. This explains why you see Forts etc. with different coloured rudders ailerons wing tips etc. Patchwork effect in many cases. But they did a jolly good job. And they chose to do daylight raids - apparently to minimise missing the target.

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Re: Fortress III of 214 sqdn, 100 Group

Post by ME453 » Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:10 pm

So I wonder how often they used their Norden sights?
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Re: Fortress III of 214 sqdn, 100 Group

Post by K4KittyCrew » Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:13 am

Max, not looking to hijack your post, just thought I'd find a few RAF Fortresses for you, mate :)
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Re: Fortress III of 214 sqdn, 100 Group

Post by ME453 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:36 am

Thank you John, the third one and the last one are especially useful because they confirm the position and general look of the flame dampers on each exhaust. Lots of interesting bits to note, not least that there was so much variation between the aircraft that I've almost got carte blanche with the finish!
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Re: Fortress III of 214 sqdn, 100 Group

Post by ME453 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:03 pm

A couple of minor updates, I'm spending a reasonable amount of time on the Fort but there doesn't seem to be too much to show for my efforts!

Firstly that brilliant picture that John "Kittycrew" found of a 214 squadron Fort which clearly shows the flamedamper under the engine, confirming thankfully what I've modelled, see below. Also a clear picture for some of the aerials and the window chutes below the waist gunner position. I've built these but won't be adding them until much later after the fuselage is closed up and finished prior to spraying.
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Initial camouflage work on the stbd upper:
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And "black" on the lower:
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Detail of the flamedamper on the outer engine (and the grills in the air intakes, old net curtain strips!):
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and of the engines temporarily fitted but more work to do there yet!
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Next stage is decalling on the wings after a few more sprays of subtlety different shades in some areas plus a few applications of Klear to hopefully avoid silvering. More soon...........
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Re: Fortress III of 214 sqdn, 100 Group

Post by halifax1 » Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:20 am

Yes - notice you have used a bit of licence for the camo. pattern.

In case you do not have it, I also have Streetley's other book on the matter which shows some other photos of the installation of aerials etc. Should you therefore experience a dilemma I will readily try and assist.

Incidentally the picture of BU-W shows it flying over Norfolk.

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Re: Fortress III of 214 sqdn, 100 Group

Post by ME453 » Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:17 am

Thanks David, I have both of Streetly's books - and in fact the camouflage pattern comes from his 100 group book for modellers so I had assumed his scheme was correct! However it seems there was tremendous variation (note the forward section windows are not blacked out in John's photo) and the H2S dome is painted whereas in others it's left "clear" so I think I'll stick with the wings as they are!
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Re: Fortress III of 214 sqdn, 100 Group

Post by halifax1 » Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:18 pm

Precisely - which again confirms that like with many machines of war there were variations undoubtedly due to necessity and circumstances which must have bee infuriating for the desk bound types whose "memos" were filed under B1nby those at the sharp end.

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