Mine Laying 7/12/1942
Mine Laying 7/12/1942
My Grandfather H.C Phillips was the pilot of Sterling EE410 mine laying on the 7/12/1942. The aircraft was attacked by fighters over Denmark and the M/U was seriously injured. The injured man was dropped by parachute near a Luftwaffe base for attention and the Aircraft made an emergency landing back at Woodbridge. Does anyone have the information available as to whether the injured man survived. Any information would be most welcome. I have just gained possesion of my Grandfathers war Log Books so more questions may follow. Thanks for reading.
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Re: Mine Laying 7/12/1942
Hello Spencer and welcome to the forum,
I will have a look at some details for you over the next 24 hrs.
Regards,
John
I will have a look at some details for you over the next 24 hrs.
Regards,
John
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Re: Mine Laying 7/12/1942
Hello,
I'm sorry but in my files EE410 is not a Stirling aircraft. EE Serials for Stirlings were from EE871 to EE975.
I also didn't find any Bomber Command Stirling with your grandfather as pilot lost on 7 December 1942.
Is it possible to obtain a scan of at least the last page of the flight records in the Log Book of your grandfather ?
It could help us.
I thank you in advance.
Best regards.
Bruno
I'm sorry but in my files EE410 is not a Stirling aircraft. EE Serials for Stirlings were from EE871 to EE975.
I also didn't find any Bomber Command Stirling with your grandfather as pilot lost on 7 December 1942.
Is it possible to obtain a scan of at least the last page of the flight records in the Log Book of your grandfather ?
It could help us.
I thank you in advance.
Best regards.
Bruno
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Re: Mine Laying 7/12/1942
Thanks for looking Bruno. There are references to several stirlings in the log, but I am sure this one reads EE410. I will scan the page for you to see. What other information can I send that would help?
Re: Mine Laying 7/12/1942
Hello,
You should find in the Log Book a page with written in it the different Squadrons where your Grandfather flew.
Can you write them?
Thanks in advance.
Bruno
You should find in the Log Book a page with written in it the different Squadrons where your Grandfather flew.
Can you write them?
Thanks in advance.
Bruno
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Re: Mine Laying 7/12/1942
Hi Folks,
Yes, your right Bruno with the serial numbers. I tried EF410 - Z, I / 218 Sqn 21st May 43, 1653 CU 27th Jan 44, 6 MU 25th Nov 44, Struck off Charge 24th April 45. I've gone through my database and I too cannot find any further details.
Also, being that the operation was in 1942, I would have thought the serial number would be One letter and FOUR numbers as per all bomber command aircraft in the early days. The first of the ( 2 ) letter serial numbers started with 'BF' which start production from mid 1942. The 'EE' serial numbers started approx mid 1943.
John
Yes, your right Bruno with the serial numbers. I tried EF410 - Z, I / 218 Sqn 21st May 43, 1653 CU 27th Jan 44, 6 MU 25th Nov 44, Struck off Charge 24th April 45. I've gone through my database and I too cannot find any further details.
Also, being that the operation was in 1942, I would have thought the serial number would be One letter and FOUR numbers as per all bomber command aircraft in the early days. The first of the ( 2 ) letter serial numbers started with 'BF' which start production from mid 1942. The 'EE' serial numbers started approx mid 1943.
John
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Re: Mine Laying 7/12/1942
The only 'Phillips' I could find for 1942, is ........................ A lot of different details, though.
John
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Halifax W1215 Information
Type Halifax
Serial Number W1215
Squadron 158
X1D NP-C
Operation Bochum
Date 1 5th August 1942
Date 2 6th August 1942
Further Information
"Serial Range W1211 - W1253. 43 Halifax Mk.11. Part of a batch of 181 HP59 Halifax Mk.11. W1002-W1021; W1035- W1067; W1090-W1117; W1141-W1190; W1211-W1253; W1270-W1276. Delivered by English Electric Co. (Salmesbury & Preston) between 9Jul42 and 9Aug42. Airborne 2213 5Aug42 from East Moor.Shot down by a night-fighter (Lt August Geiger, 111./NJG1) and crashed 0128 at Oldebroek (Gelderland), 12 km NNW of Epe, Holland. The two crew men killed are buried in Oldebroek General Cemetery. It is reported that P/O Phillips was trying to crash-land in order to save P/O Marshall, who had been wounded and was unable to bale out. Sadly, structural failure ocurred and the Halifax plunged down, out of control. P/O C.H.Phillips RAAF KIA Sgt D.H.Furness PoW P/O L.V.Harvey RAAF PoW Sgt E.G.Price RCAF Evd Sgt W.A.Thompson PoW Sgt J.A.Byrne PoW P/O J.E.Marshall KIA Sgt J.A.Byrne was interned in Camps 8B/344. PoW No.25697, with Sgt D.H.Furness, PoW No.25640 (who also spent time in Camp L7) and Sgt W.A.Thompson, PoW No.25668. P/O L.V.Harvey in Camp L3, PoW No.619. "
John
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Halifax W1215 Information
Type Halifax
Serial Number W1215
Squadron 158
X1D NP-C
Operation Bochum
Date 1 5th August 1942
Date 2 6th August 1942
Further Information
"Serial Range W1211 - W1253. 43 Halifax Mk.11. Part of a batch of 181 HP59 Halifax Mk.11. W1002-W1021; W1035- W1067; W1090-W1117; W1141-W1190; W1211-W1253; W1270-W1276. Delivered by English Electric Co. (Salmesbury & Preston) between 9Jul42 and 9Aug42. Airborne 2213 5Aug42 from East Moor.Shot down by a night-fighter (Lt August Geiger, 111./NJG1) and crashed 0128 at Oldebroek (Gelderland), 12 km NNW of Epe, Holland. The two crew men killed are buried in Oldebroek General Cemetery. It is reported that P/O Phillips was trying to crash-land in order to save P/O Marshall, who had been wounded and was unable to bale out. Sadly, structural failure ocurred and the Halifax plunged down, out of control. P/O C.H.Phillips RAAF KIA Sgt D.H.Furness PoW P/O L.V.Harvey RAAF PoW Sgt E.G.Price RCAF Evd Sgt W.A.Thompson PoW Sgt J.A.Byrne PoW P/O J.E.Marshall KIA Sgt J.A.Byrne was interned in Camps 8B/344. PoW No.25697, with Sgt D.H.Furness, PoW No.25640 (who also spent time in Camp L7) and Sgt W.A.Thompson, PoW No.25668. P/O L.V.Harvey in Camp L3, PoW No.619. "
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Re: Mine Laying 7/12/1942
This post as been bugging me so I thought I would check what details I have and try to establish the aircraft and squadron....... it's still bugging me
No.3 Group carried out a small scale mining operation on the 7/8th December 1942, six squadrons were involved...
No.15 Squadron 2 Stirling a/c dispatched ( Air 27 202/204)
No.75 (NZ) Squadron 2 Stirling a/c dispatched (Air 27 645/646)
No.115 Squadron 8 a/c Wellington dispatched (Air 27 887/888)
No.149 Squadron 2 Stirling a/c dispatched (Air 27 1000/10001 )
No.214 Squadron 2 Stirling a/s dispatched ( Air 27 1320/1321)
No.218 Squadron 2 stirling a/c dispatched
I checked each of the Operational Records Books AM Form 540 /541 and Station Records and Group Records and could not find any pilot with the name Phillips operating on this date. Regarding an encounter with a Night Fighter, other than an inconclusive encounter at 1828hrs just off Cromer no other encounters were recorded within No.3 Group, No.1 Group were also operational on this night they had two encounters, the first off Tershelling at 1930hrs with a ME109, the second with a JU88 at 2109hrs at position 5347N - 0429E. ( Interception / Tactics Reports 1942 Air 14 3374).
I look forward to find out what squadron our mystery pilot H.C Phillips was operational with. !!!!
Regards
Smudger
No.3 Group carried out a small scale mining operation on the 7/8th December 1942, six squadrons were involved...
No.15 Squadron 2 Stirling a/c dispatched ( Air 27 202/204)
No.75 (NZ) Squadron 2 Stirling a/c dispatched (Air 27 645/646)
No.115 Squadron 8 a/c Wellington dispatched (Air 27 887/888)
No.149 Squadron 2 Stirling a/c dispatched (Air 27 1000/10001 )
No.214 Squadron 2 Stirling a/s dispatched ( Air 27 1320/1321)
No.218 Squadron 2 stirling a/c dispatched
I checked each of the Operational Records Books AM Form 540 /541 and Station Records and Group Records and could not find any pilot with the name Phillips operating on this date. Regarding an encounter with a Night Fighter, other than an inconclusive encounter at 1828hrs just off Cromer no other encounters were recorded within No.3 Group, No.1 Group were also operational on this night they had two encounters, the first off Tershelling at 1930hrs with a ME109, the second with a JU88 at 2109hrs at position 5347N - 0429E. ( Interception / Tactics Reports 1942 Air 14 3374).
I look forward to find out what squadron our mystery pilot H.C Phillips was operational with. !!!!
Regards
Smudger
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Re: Mine Laying 7/12/1942
Thanks for you're continued interest.
I am unable to attach copies of the logbook because it tells me the file is too large, is there a way I can get around this.
Info I have is :-
Phillips H.C
Royal Canadian Airforce.
196 sqdn 3 group, Witchford. Ely. Joined nov 1942 until feb 1943.
Then 115 sqdn at Witchford Ely, Dec 1943 until july 1944 but this time flying Lancasters.
Thanks for looking
Spencer
I am unable to attach copies of the logbook because it tells me the file is too large, is there a way I can get around this.
Info I have is :-
Phillips H.C
Royal Canadian Airforce.
196 sqdn 3 group, Witchford. Ely. Joined nov 1942 until feb 1943.
Then 115 sqdn at Witchford Ely, Dec 1943 until july 1944 but this time flying Lancasters.
Thanks for looking
Spencer
Re: Mine Laying 7/12/1942
I'm hoping to get to Kew on 10th Nov.
Anything worth looking up on this one there?
Anything worth looking up on this one there?